"E" Groups - neglect highway capacity increase

From Greater, Greater Washington;

http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post.cgi?id=1492

"... a coalition of 17 environmental groups, including [jesuitical] Friends of the Earth, the Sierra Club, NRDC, Environmental Defense, Greenpeace, and many more, released a list of 78 projects that could spend $145 billion over the next 12 months on immediate economic stimulus. (See the summary table or detailed list.) On transportation, the list includes fixing existing roads and bridges, operating grants to keep up transit service and current fares, and fully funding all New Starts transit projects that are in the pipeline, but no new lane miles of highways.

Transportation is responsible for a third of global warming pollution and more than 60 percent of domestic oil consumption. To mitigate this, we need a comprehensive transportation sector investment strategy that includes substantial build out of public transportation and other alternative transportation resources, rehabilitation and maintenance of existing roads and bridges (which creates more jobs than investments in new road capacity), investment in next generation alternative fuels, and acceleration of increases in vehicle efficiency. Meeting these needs can reduce our dependence on oil, reduce global warming pollution, and create millions of good jobs by investing in low-carbon transportation projects.

We recommend at least $58.8 billion investment in transit, other transportation alternatives, environmental mitigation, road and bridge maintenance, and vehicle and fuel technologies ...

We also strongly oppose spending any portion of an economic stimulus package on highway projects that include new capacity. Adding road capacity has been shown to induce additional vehicle use, leading to increased oil consumption, greenhouse gasses, and traffic congestion in the long term. These projects also promote sprawling land development patterns that further exacerbate these problems and require future infrastructure investments to mitigate. Any spending on highways and roads (including bridges) should be based on Fix-It First principles of asset management.

The list also includes funds for alternative energy research and starting up production of non-corn biofuels, worker training for green jobs, energy efficiency tax credits, weatherization for households, schools, and local governments, incentives for energy efficient appliances, purchasing foreclosed land for conservation, maintenance in national parks and wildlife refuges, solar panel deployment on public and private buildings, energy transmission grid upgrades, dam repair, coastal restoration from Long Island Sound to the Great Lakes to the Mississippi delta and coastal Louisiana, and more."

The 'e" groups completely ignore time savings and reduced pollution from reduced congestion via promoting a myopic view that ignores variables, for doctrine they would not apply to anything else.

To their credit they did include non corn biomass, but what do they say about improving the electric grid for powering the new transit?

Don't Forget

From [transport-policy] Re: From Rhetoric to Reality on Transit

Don't forget that rail transit - not the automobile - was first responsible for allowing outward development. People have a natural inclination to travel, to expand their horizons, and to avail themselves of more opportunities.

It is my firm belief that much of this worship at the mass transit alter is oriented towards a hope that we will turn back the clock and go back to living in very narrow corridors of human habitat, while leaving the rest untouched. That is, it is designed to restrict our choices, not expand them. The automobile is the uber enemy of the enviro-transit crowd simply because it is the primary vehicle (excuse the pun) that allows us to transcend our otherwise normal limits.

Of course, there are a few - you, Sandy would be in this category - that simply love mass transit and dense cities in their own right. That also puts you in the reasonable category, as you, while loving this lifestyle for yourself, don't necessarily wish to impose it on everyone else and you recognize the impossibility of doing so.

Common sense will eventually prevail. The automobile thrives more than ever despite clogged roads, high energy prices, and ideologues bent on killing it off. Until something better replaces it - such as teleporters or flying cars - it will continue to thrive in some form. You can't turn back the clock. The era of mass transit is long over - it was the dominant form of transportation for a mere few decades before being passed up. But we can thank it for starting a trend - outward development - that the automobile has successfully and thankfully continued.

Don Hagstrom

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Sandy Smith wrote:

From: Sandy Smith
Subject: Re: [transport-policy] Re: From Rhetoric to Reality on Transit
To: transport-policy@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:25 PM

Since I've been invoked in this discussion, yes, I definitely agree.

The problem for us today is that our built environment has always been shaped by the dominant modes of transportation.

William Penn's original vision for the capital of his "holy experiment" could only be described as "faith-based planning" in light of the technologies of the day. Most people got around on foot and required face-to-face contact to carry out their business. It would have been highly impractical at best for Philadelphia' s city blocks to have only one structure on each, as Penn had hoped for his "Greene Countrie Towne, which will always be wholesome and never burnt." So reality trumped vision, and the leading 18th-century American city was a crowded collection of houses, shops and churches that extended no further west than seven blocks from the Delaware River.

As the automobile collapses distance, it allows dwellings to spread across the land in a manner that Penn would no doubt have approved of. This, however, has the unfortunate (to me) side effect of making it difficult at best to negotiate the terrain by any other means.

Those cities that have relatively high levels of transit service -- and patronage -- all more closely resemble Philadelphia in form than they do Salt Lake City -- or even my hometown of Kansas City, which -- like Los Angeles to a lesser extent -- is actually a transitional metropolis, shaped both by pedestrian-oriented and auto-oriented transportation. (Rail transit falls in the former category because its passengers are drawn from locations not directly next to its stations, and the passengers must use some other means to reach the station, walking being the most common.) And even those pedestrian-oriented cities have had to make some accommodation to the cars in their midst -- and often have suburbs that are as auto-oriented as anything west of the Mississippi. (By living a true urban lifestyle, I have self-limited the pool of employers I may work for in this region, as some large local employers -- Wyeth Labs,e g. -- are located beyond the pale of public transportation. )

It really pains me to admit this, but efforts to Phillify the Salt Lake Cities of this country are a bit like putting toothpaste back in the tube.

---------Sandy Smith, Exile on Market Street, Philadelphia- -------
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Seattle 'Chopp Way' Versus 'Moon Way'

'Chopp Way'
(named after Frank Chopp of the Washington State government)
a line of connected buildings
with 1st story retail
and 3rd story encased highway with 4th level linear park



'Moon Way'
(named for Cary Moon of the Peoples Waterfront Alliance)
a line of condos with all vehicular traffic on the surface

Multi-Architectural 'Chopp Way'

Intriguing Multi Use Retail - Highway - Promenade
Seattle, Washington Alaska Way Route 99 Replacement

http://crosscut.com/2008/09/25/alaskan-way-viaduct/18025/

Posted Thu, Sep 25, 9:50 a.m.

I have to say...: ...I actually REALLY like this plan. As a Seattle transplant, one of the most awesome things that I've loved about this city is it's uniqueness to expose people to its natural and architectural beauty in some of the most unexpected ways.

I was disappointed to hear that so many people hate the viaduct - it is one of the things that help keep my sanity going to and from work, being stuck in traffic. I LOVE driving along the waterfront, seeing the City, the Olympics, the Water, the greenery, all in one breadth.

I think this plan beatifies an ugly, much needed replacement of the existing structure, and also makes it multi-functional. It addresses the need for a more pedestrian-friendly atmosphere along the waterfront, while preserving the uniqueness of this vehicle thoroughfare.

I actually think it's a great compromise for both ends of the argument. It disappoints me that so many people here are against any sort of compromise...if it's not exactly their way, then it's a horrible idea...disappointing!

— Ohswtjenny

Posted Thu, Sep 25, 2:19 p.m.

chopp's crime against the city: the current viaduct is simply put an urban design crime against the earth and humanity. in general we as a society have the pleasant illusion that we learn from our mistakes. chopp's proposal proves that we do not, that we have the ability, maybe desire, to repeat our biggest errors and make them worse. it is hardly worth listing the ways in which the viaduct is an assault on what should be one of the most beautiful urban waterfronts in the world. there appears to be nothing in this scheme that improves on the 1950s fecal matter that currently stinks up our city.

i will be the first in line to stand in front of the bulldozers and would recommend that the people of the city engage in a guerilla campaign to sabotage this idiotic scheme if it ever gets close to being built.

let's see: the viaduct is a hideous monstrosity separating the city from the water. oh my, lets build it bigger and uglier. i declare myself an urban designer and transportation planner. go frank!

— giraf

Posted Thu, Sep 25, 2:33 p.m.

Sorry giraf-I really like Franks idea, its the best!!!: I think Frank has a "Hit" on a design that has something for everyone. It will solve the thru put and congestion issues in the city. As for the two ground floors to be developed as commercial space all along the structure, this is another great idea.

The enclosed highway, three lanes in each direction is what West Seattle, Ballard and Communities north/south need now and in the future for jobs and mobility. Don't forget the Cruise ships are coming to Magnolia in 2009.

The big plus of Franks design is the park on the top with gorgeous sunset views of Elliott Bay, from the Pike Place Market to South King Street. This park will put Seattle on the map for a destination, and tourist will come from around the world for this view park. This park will keep the views we love and have now from the Viaduct.

Another important part of Frank's design is that SR-99 traffic will stay off surface streets and make Alaskan Way more pedestrian safe and friendly along with a lot less auto noise.

Franks idea works for the region, verses Seattle's Condo development plan, that will put a wall of condo's three times higher on the waterfront, with no parking, a tourist trap and views only for the wealthy owner's that live downtown. Frank is doing the right thing for all the right reasons..

— gene

Posted Thu, Sep 25, 3:33 p.m.

great idea: This viaduct issue has been a boondoggle precisely because no one has stepped forward and shown any vision or leadership. Rep. Chopp is using his considerable power to bring forward a plan that is compelling and visionary. Is it perfect? Nothing is, but it incorporates so many elements into such an interesting whole that we must take it seriously. I love the idea of a park that finally takes advantage of downtown's incredible views. And can you imagine Seattle's downtown known for something more than an ugly, decaying viaduct? This city has been stagnant for so long. We need something big and different and exciting. That's what Chopp's plan is. A politician finally stepped up to the plate.

— 22light

http://cos-mobile.blogspot.com/2008/10/seattle-chopp-way-versus-moon-way.html

http://nwfreethinker.blogspot.com/2008/09/if-we-must-spend-money.html