From a comments section for an advertisement on Facebook for a 1970 GTO clone (converted Lemans) convertible
Ram Air IV 440 (400 block, 4" stroke) EFI E-70ish capable if only the renewable fuel standard had actually worked for "choice" ( blender pumps with 93 octane unleaded base gasoline) rather than a scheme to unload 69-83 octane tar sands junk diluted with a crap shoot amount of ethanol.
Darren Hoffman
Douglas Andrew Willinger tar sands junk? You’re an idiot.
Douglas Andrew Willinger
Darren Hoffman explain how? Tar sands is ultra low octane, and word is that planned
E-30 shall be a mère 92ish octane, as the petro interests plan on
increasing lowing the base gasoline grade to further shortchange the
motoring public. By any chance are you an API lobbyist?
Darren Hoffman
Douglas Andrew Willinger tar sands isn’t gas. It’s crude that can be refined into whatever you want it to be. You’re an idiot.
Douglas Andrew Willinger
Darren Hoffman
the quality of the crude affects the feasibility of its refinement.
Tar sands crude is far more costly to refine , and its becoming further evident by your continuing use of nonsense to deflect from this ever
expanding to pass off inferior base grade gasoline with higher amounts
of ethanol to further defraud the public of much useful higher octane
motor vehicle fuel. It would be nice to have 93+ octane motor vehicle
fuel. Say 98, 101. and 1p5 octane blended fuels with a n honest retail labeling, as opposed to the regulatory mislabeling of E-50 to E-83
crap-shoot with God knows what octane base gasoline. Any automobile
enthusiast would like that, but here you respond like an API disfo
specialist who throws his own self description as somehow a counter argument.
Douglas Andrew Willinger
Darren Hoffman
a useful response would be to just admit that tar sands best argument
might be to keep it in North America (thus having the advantage of the
waste of transoceanic shipping- best accompanied by a co2 tax on such
shipping rather than scapegoating private automobile s) with an
agreement for the US to limit its use to E-70 fuel (aka a 30% cap on tar
sands petro gasoline content. Lets say a hard NO to using tar sands
derived gasoline to make an inferior E-30 fuel with a mere 92ish octane
fuel. Surely you would agree that muscle car enthusiasts got screwed by
existing fuel policies, along with the environment by the subversion of a
sound renewable fuels standard policy. Would it not be nice to have
614 heads with say 13 cr than 9cr with 7F6 heads (for a Pontiac V-8)?
Darren Hoffman
Oil sands derived gasoline can be any octane you wish. It’s all in the add ons. Same as any other crude oil.
Darren Hoffman
Today,
there are two primary sources of octane used in the U.S. gasoline
supply, the BTEX complex (a petroleum refining product commonly referred
to as gasoline aromatics), and ethanol.
The
BTEX complex is a hydrocarbon mixture of benzene, toluene, xylene and
ethyl-benzene. Commonly referred to as gasoline aromatics, these
compounds are refined from low-octane petroleum products into a
high-octane gasoline additive. While some volume of BTEX is native to
gasoline, it is also added to finished gasoline to boost its octane
rating. The total volume of BTEX (aromatics) in finished gasoline
depends on the desired octane value and other desired fuel properties.
Darren Hoffman
Straight-run
gasoline has an octane number of about 70. In other words, straight-run
gasoline has the same knocking properties as a mixture of 70% isooctane
and 30% heptane. Cracking, isomerization and other processes can be
used to increase the octane rating of gasoline to about 90
Darren Hoffman
Douglas Andrew Willinger
tar sands crude is upgraded prior to shipping or sent to a refinery
with the processes in place to upgrade. If it was so costly to refine do
you really think refineries would be buying 4 million barrels a day?
As for ethanol use, thank the green energy fanatics.
Douglas Andrew Willinger
Darren Hoffman
thank you. And are you aware of the environmental difference between
using these petro substances as benzene, toluene, xylene, versus
Ethanol? Are you aware of a recent Yale University article by Timothy
Wirth on the multitude of differences in toxicology as well as
environmentally?
Darren Hoffman
Douglas Andrew Willinger yes. I work in the petrochemical industry and keep myself informed and educated. You?
Douglas Andrew Willinger
Darren Hoffman Correct. But compare the means of the various pezro chemicals versus that of Ethanol and of course tetra eythl lead?
Darren Hoffman
Ps. I run ethanol blended with a stabilizer added regularly. It’s all i can get. And it works great.
Darren Hoffman
I remember the days of running leaded supreme in my muscle cars. They loved it!
Douglas Andrew Willinger
Darren Hoffman
yes. And what is going on with the latest push for a new octane minimum
of 95 octane. That is 95 RESEARCH rather than the aki number seem on
pumps. Sounds great to here about a new "95" minimum octane. But as
that is really 90 octane as posted at the pump, what is going on with
the octsne of the gasoline component? Likewise with the introduction of
E-10, or rather "*up to* 10 percent rather than actually 10 percent,
why did not 87, 89 and 93 octane fuel become say 89ish, 91ish and 95ish?
Why of course is that a decision was made to keep any added octane benefits for higher profits rather than higher octane. And of course
the thing about the NON guaranteed levels of Ethanol really hinders its
adaptation in carburetor autos by essentially limiting its use to newer
EFI equipped cars.
Darren Hoffman
Douglas Andrew Willinger auto makers are actually seeking 100 octane as the standard.
Douglas Andrew Willinger
Darren Hoffman
automotive enthusiasts who reads and who questions policy. For instance
why were. compression ratios lowered supposedly for environmental reasons never-mind mpg dropping from 14ish mpg to 9ish mpg? Especially when we
already knew of the octane and oxygenation superiority of Ethanol over
tetra ethyl lead?
Douglas Andrew Willinger
Darren Hoffman
see my fb car related albums. I seek to build a 4" stroke (428 style)
rather than 4.21' stroke (455) Pontiac 465 and would prefer higher
compression. But alas policy somehow was steered wrongly.
Darren Hoffman
Douglas Andrew Willinger The first ethanol blended with gasoline for use as an octane booster occurred in the 1920s and 1930s. Pardon?
Darren Hoffman
Douglas Andrew Willinger my 540 runs fine at 10:1. Go big or go home.
Douglas Andrew Willinger
Darren Hoffman
Pardon? What? The political favoring of tetra eythl lead over
ethanol. A favoring of an infinitely mote toxic yet more profitable
PATENT protect substance, over unpatentable and infinitely safer more environmentally friendly Ethanol. A classic parallel to the policy
sociopaths that banned Coca leaf to enable the 20th century Tobacco
cigarette epidemic. ( for more on that see my blog "Freedom of Medicine
and Diet" at blogspot.com
Darren Hoffman
Now your just babbling
Douglas Andrew Willinger
Darren Hoffman
you outed yourself as a shill for the octane rippoff of the API et al.
I can assure you that your reletively inferior product shall be limited
to a 30ish percent content cap on motor vehicle fuel. Tar sands
product requires way too much processing for rising its octane without
higher centrations of the so-called aromatics (see the Yale Timothy
Wirth article) as toulence etc to render it environmentally acceptable.
And your attitude and demeneour speaks volumes of.the petroluem
industry. To wit: the attrociously envirnmentalky irresponsible
Ametican Petroleum Institute (API), headquartered in the notiouriously
poorly designed "3rd Street Tunnel Air Rights" building that violates
highly safety regulations on shoulder widths, with support columns
intruding upon the I-395/I-195/I-95 right of way in downtown Washington,
D.C. - see my posts at my blog "A Trip Within the Beltway".
The API
headquarters' location speaks volumes about a petro lobby that makes
political sacrifices of much needed urban freeways to engender a feel
goodism that we are doing something to stop big oil. Try reseraching the late 1960s-early 1970s
DC freeway protest organization ECTC "Emergency Committee on the
Transportation Crisis" and its circa 1973 spin off group the "National Committee on
the Transportation Crisis", which purported to oppose big oil but which
effectively disbanded by the mid 1970s "de-mapping" of D.C. I-95.
Also
see the initial opposition to the N.Y.C. "Westway Highway Project" oficially first proposed circa 1974, with the "environmentalist" opposition to its proposed tunnel
portion owing to the small pollution hotspots at the portals, which would
have been a spendid demonstration of running 100% petro gasoline
otherwise not detected by the masses as such is normally just dispersed-
as the petro industry maxim as "the solution to pollution is
dilution" with so- called "Greens" sadly being dupes.
